Curse

lordheinous · Aug 17, 2008, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

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Dude, it sounds like you really put a lot of effort into getting those greens, and that you want them for the sake of having those specific greens, not for convenience. If that's truly the case, then what I would suggest doing is to make a buy thread here on guru and offer some outrageous price, like 50k, for them. If it is indeed outrageous enough, some people will go out and farm the green for the express purpose of selling it to you. If you're just going for functionality, I wouldn't suggest this, but if you're really desperate for a specific green, this would seem to be the way to go.

Mithion Aglar · Aug 17, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

The double-drop rate on green items this weekend is just a joke. I have killed Jacado the Putrid now for about the 76th time. I actually got rank 5 deldrimor title purely off trying to get the staff off him.

Then, I log on my necromancer alternate to help my wife with some missions. We kill some level 10 boss and he drops a mesmer green staff.

Arenanet really needs to review their loot drop policy. It's just dumb.

Wolf2581 · Aug 17, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

For those frustrated over the drop rates, I think the problem is that they are not solo kills. With a full party of heroes and henchmen, or even with just three heroes, some may not fully realize the very low probability a player has to receive a certain dropped item. In normal gameplay, my worst streak ever is ~30 kills without a green drop while soloing. But then I recall a time when a friend of mine and I, in a party with six heroes, each received a green after killing a boss in Grenth's Footprint. The random nature of it all is indeed just that, but when going after a boss specifically for a green, it really helps to be on your own.

StormDragonZ · Aug 17, 2008, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Last night, my friend and I vanquished Unwaking Waters Explorable. I got Kunvie's Air Staff and my friend got Merki's Gaze.

We certainly got good luck.

HawkofStorms · Aug 17, 2008, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Wolf2581

For those frustrated over the drop rates, I think the problem is that they are not solo kills. With a full party of heroes and henchmen, or even with just three heroes, some may not fully realize the very low probability a player has to receive a certain dropped item. In normal gameplay, my worst streak ever is ~30 kills without a green drop while soloing. But then I recall a time when a friend of mine and I, in a party with six heroes, each received a green after killing a boss in Grenth's Footprint. The random nature of it all is indeed just that, but when going after a boss specifically for a green, it really helps to be on your own.

QFT.

The "oh noez I've killed a boss 20-70 times" posts with a full henchmen party means that if it does drop, you'll only have a 1/8 chance of seeing it. So... those "20-70" times you killed the boss become "2-8" chances for the drop to appear. If greens droped every 8 boss kills, the market would be RIDICULOUSLY flooded with them.

I mean, most greens are STILL only worth 1-5k. You want them to be even easier to get and even cheaper?

Since they are excluded from loot scaling, soling is more effective.

Fitz Rinley · Aug 17, 2008, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by Wolf2581

For those frustrated over the drop rates, I think the problem is that they are not solo kills.

It shouldnt have to be solo kills. And in some of these cases, like Wioli's Artifact, solo kills are not possible. Further, solo kills are not possible with every class. While I have all 10 classes, NoOne should be required to make a character just for farming. Especially since by and large most of us despise farming in much the same way we hate castor oil.

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

The "oh noez I've killed a boss 20-70 times" posts with a full henchmen party means that if it does drop, you'll only have a 1/8 chance of seeing it. So... those "20-70" times you killed the boss become "2-8" chances for the drop to appear. If greens droped every 8 boss kills, the market would be RIDICULOUSLY flooded with them.

This is of course because the heroes and henchies need paid - even though they Never show any improvement based on this pay and never themselves begin to use the improved equipment they obtain. Since they follow players Because they do not have the brains to take care of themselves, they do not deserve equal pay. (Yes, I am quite aware GW does not care and will change nothing.)

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Since they are excluded from loot scaling, soling is more effective.

Except where solo farming is not possible.

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I mean, most greens are STILL only worth 1-5k. You want them to be even easier to get and even cheaper?

A green that can be solo farmed may be worth this, the ones that can't no one farms. They are not offered for sale. I have been through the cities asking and searching the trade channel for both Flint's Fleshweaver and Wioli's Artifact - they are not for sale. I have also offered to trade straight across on Gargash Recurve for it. No response.

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Originally Posted by lordheinous

Dude, it sounds like you really put a lot of effort into getting those greens, and that you want them for the sake of having those specific greens, not for convenience.

Drunkard Title = 333,400g (less drops), Treasure Hunter = 6,000,000g (less dropped keys), Wisdom = 10,000,000 g (less drops I rarely see and do not get from chests), Sweettooth = 2,000,000 g (less holiday drops), Skill Hunter = 290,000 g (less two free capsigs from quests), Elite Armors for HoM = 375,000 g plus materials, Elite Weapons for HoM = 55,000 plus materials (which rarely if ever drop), etc. In case you are wondering, that is 19,053,400 g. Good thing I dont have to pay for ID kits, Salvage Kits, Dye, farm for items that entertain me, etc. My God, if I had to do all that it might be work instead of play. (GW is not a grind game! GW is not a grind game! GW is not a grind game! - repeat mantra until believed)

I don't, and no one else does either, have the money to play the game and pay outrageous prices.

-Makai- · Aug 17, 2008, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by Darcy

I get green drops so seldom that my usual reaction when I see a green name is "Who's that?" - thinking I've gained a new hero/hench.

Hehehe...glad I'm not the only one.

The duality of this weekend event has inspired me to try out Legendary Skill Hunter...so far I've capped about 40 elites in Nightfall and have obtained two greens (20% HCT Energy Storage spells!).

Hyper Cutter · Aug 18, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

I only seem to get greens when I'm not actually after them. I go out of my way to hunt a green? Nothing. I kill a boss who's in my way? Green. Virtually ever green that ever dropped for me came from a boss standing between me and Point B...

viper11025 · Aug 18, 2008, 03:30 AM // 03:30

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

The problem with greens is they are not special, I mean, that weapons need something like +1 stats, making them impossible to build yourself with mods, or make max mods very hard to get. IMO, weapon mods are too easy to get, too easy in comparison of how hard is to get some weapon skins; unbalanced IMO.

There are some greens YOU can't re-make.
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sseer's_Wish

I think theres more, not sure.

I tihnk there prefferd by heros more then players now.
XD

Wolf2581 · Aug 18, 2008, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

NoOne should be required to make a character just for farming. Especially since by and large most of us despise farming in much the same way we hate castor oil.

If everyone were able to solo the game with any character, then it would be World of Warcraft (or so I have been told). However, if you are looking for particular greens but are unable or not inclined to farm them yourself and cannot find people selling them in the game, I would recommend checking the Guru auctions or finding a friend to help you out.

I can only assume that ArenaNet developed the game explicitly to allow any character class to accomplish the quests and missions. Anything beyond that, such as farming and running, is just fluff brought forth by the bastardization of profession and skill combinations. Certain methods have been developed to obtain them more efficiently, but the mechanics are what they are.

pumpkin pie · Aug 18, 2008, 04:11 AM // 04:11

finally on my last skill cap, really last one before I log out yesterday, i got Jahrer's Dagger (way of the assassin) boss ad the end of the bridge. .... and assassin is the only profession I don't have on that account, hahahaha.

daze · Aug 18, 2008, 04:21 AM // 04:21

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

First time you open those chest or buried treasures you will get a guarenteed gold weapon. Second time the same. After the third time purples will start to appear.

This has nothing to do with the amount of time between the openings, it's solely based on the amount of openings.

This is incorrect, i have lately found free chests in areas which i have never been. And what do i get? purple. and upon vanquishing that area i broke 4 lockpicks on 4 chests and ended up with 4 normal tomes.

it is my belief that there are accounts that are flagged to be unlucky.
I have vanquished almost all of elona so far and have yet to get any req9 gold that is worthwhile. I have to say that i did get my first green in months on this double green weekend. It was a motiv para shield. ugly as hell

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

This is of course because the heroes and henchies need paid - even though they Never show any improvement based on this pay and never themselves begin to use the improved equipment they obtain. Since they follow players Because they do not have the brains to take care of themselves, they do not deserve equal pay.

I agree with this completely, If women and African Americans can get paid less than their white male counterparts, why cant Heros and Henchies get paid less as well.

sixofone · Aug 18, 2008, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

I only seem to get greens when I'm not actually after them. I go out of my way to hunt a green? Nothing. I kill a boss who's in my way? Green. Virtually ever green that ever dropped for me came from a boss standing between me and Point B...

That's been my experience, too.

This weekend, though, with the 2x drop rate, I decided to go after Moralah's Staff from Midshipman Moralah - great Mesmer Dom staff! I started noon on Friday, and spent time capping elites as well to boost my Mesmer closer to Legendary Survivor (851K so far!), and didn't get a green all weekend until about an hour ago. Finally got Moralah's Staff!!

But honestly, I didn't see any evidence of a "2x drop rate" on greens.

**cosyfiep** · Aug 18, 2008, 08:27 AM // 08:27

didnt get any greens this weekend....got one on thursday (with a full h/h party)...but guess that is just my luck (and yes you are not guarenteeeeed a gold on the first run of the elona free treasures....I posted about that before).

was a waste of time if I had been green hunting this weekend, but I was just skill capping so I at least got some xp and some scrolls (for my survivor, if she ever plays again).

pumpkin pie · Aug 18, 2008, 09:46 AM // 09:46

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

didnt get any greens this weekend....got one on thursday (with a full h/h party)...but guess that is just my luck (and yes you are not guarenteeeeed a gold on the first run of the elona free treasures....I posted about that before).

was a waste of time if I had been green hunting this weekend, but I was just skill capping so I at least got some xp and some scrolls (for my survivor, if she ever plays again).

Speaking of scrolls, i suspects that its double scrolls drop instead of double green drops lol because i average 2 scrolls everytime i cap a skill. and you know how skill capping goes, u don't clear the map , just go right for the boss and back. and thats how often the scroll drops and even gotten 1 fow scorll 1 urgoz scroll.

The forth fly · Aug 18, 2008, 10:22 AM // 10:22

i went farming (solo) for greens for my heroes in about 1 hour of farming in NM i got 0,after about 5 hours of farming HM i got 5 Exuro's Wills(sold 2 for 2k each to a guildie),2 Elsnil's Frigidheart's,3 scar eaters 2 elite monk tomes,solo HM was the way to get greens last weekend

Productivity · Aug 18, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

This is of course because the heroes and henchies need paid - even though they Never show any improvement based on this pay and never themselves begin to use the improved equipment they obtain. Since they follow players Because they do not have the brains to take care of themselves, they do not deserve equal pay. (Yes, I am quite aware GW does not care and will change nothing.)

No, it's because if H/H didn't take a cut, there would be a huge incentive to play with H/H over groups.

Aside from that, if you're repetitive farming for something, you're going to be dissapointed. There's code to break repetitive farm attempts and generally the odds are low. If however you just play the game normaly and take the greens as they come you'll find that there actually is quite a reasonable drop rate for them.

It's PVE. You don't need perfect gear. In fact you don't need any gear for your spellcasting heroes (I successfuly vanquished elona and cantha with a master of whispers with no runes and no weapons). Just play with what you get and occassionally trade to get anything to get something better. Will your experience be diminished any if your Zhed doesn't have Flint's Fleshcleaver? If it does I think you've got a really weird personal reward system.

vader · Aug 18, 2008, 01:55 PM // 13:55

This weekend I went out and got a Rose Focus for Gwen so I decided she needed a good cane to go with it. After looking through all the greens, she settled on The Wingstorm. I looked at where he was and it was an easy enough farm so I went for it. Went out with me and 3 heroes and an hour later it still hadn't dropped. I asked a guildie if he could help me (an extra human body can never hurt) and, low and behold, it dropped on the first run. I still get excited when greens drop for me. Just last week I was walking from Eye Of The North up to Gunnar's Hold. I passed Elsnil Frigidheart on the way and was shocked to see his green drop. Before that, I honestly don't know when the last time was I got a green from a drop. It actually wouldn't surprise me if it was the last 2x green weekend.

Shasgaliel · Aug 18, 2008, 02:35 PM // 14:35

I usually got a lot of greens even though I use H/H, except the ones I really need. Example. I was trying to farm the green shield from a paragon boss in bahdok caverns. After 10 runs I already got all the greens from bosses on the way to this one but not from him. I finally got it (after 20 tries or so) while helping a friend to cap his elite on NM...

I think people do not sell greens anymore because their prices went down so much. I have and some of my friends have as well, mules full of greens kept for heroes or ourselves without a slightest incentive to sell them on the market. Some of the mods are more expensive than greens which have them as a intrinsic value. It is much better for me to keep or buy a good green which is cheap for my heroes than trying to assemble a perfect gold copy sharing its attributes.

Shadowhaze · Aug 18, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

lol. I usually get one when I don't expect it...and it's not ones that'd I need/would use really. If there's one that I want, I'll just try buying it instead of farming...just takes too long sometimes. (Oh and with the weekend deal, I only got two greens. But I was more focused on capping skills, so it's alright.)